tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4786784182488135171.post5566145716566466710..comments2023-07-21T17:26:24.127+04:00Comments on Ron George: Dynamic Stability Of Bicycle Design : Part 4Ronhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16268869622833968439noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4786784182488135171.post-21343469059500888512009-09-25T05:11:11.598+04:002009-09-25T05:11:11.598+04:00Paterek is talking about bike handling, where as o...Paterek is talking about bike handling, where as our studies are about bike stability. There are generally some types of relationships between stability and handling. I would claim that most of the time stability does not equal good handling but that isn't necessarily true. Fighter jets, race cars and other highly maneuverable vehicles tend to be designed such that they are either unstable or on the verge of stability. The key is to find that relationship and it is super tough because the human is in the loop and handling is very subjective.Jason Moorehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15362357639624306439noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4786784182488135171.post-48823417366468810812009-09-25T01:51:04.587+04:002009-09-25T01:51:04.587+04:00I think we probably agree then. I was just under ...I think we probably agree then. I was just under the impression that you were treating Paterek's claim as though it were talking about exactly the same thing as Jason et al and coming up with different values.<br><br>That was a fantastic series - and a great blog as a whole. (I should have said this in the first comment.)Trisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4786784182488135171.post-69353634015201025132009-09-23T16:31:07.109+04:002009-09-23T16:31:07.109+04:00I may be wrong here, but I'm not sure it's...I may be wrong here, but I'm not sure it's fair to say that any of the findings contradict what Paterek said.<br><br>I think that most likely Paterek is not talking about a bike's self-stability, but rather how well the bike handles for an experienced rider. Surely the two are not the same.<br><br>(FWIW, I'm not convinced that Paterek's range of trail is correct for all bikes, but I don't think that the findings about self-stability have the direct relevance to his claim as this post seems to suggest.)Trisnoreply@blogger.com